(Pictures were taken at the Metal Shop on vampire night during Billy2Times Krams's trivia.)
Chaddington Boomhauer
Some people recently received an unsolicited group invitation that read as follows:
Phenicia Gravois has invited you to join a group. You will have to pay a signup fee of L$500. Trivia Anytime Anywhere: We are currently building up our membership. We will start playing trivia once we have reached 22 members. For those of you who love trivia but don't like to hang around at a venue for questions to be asked. We will ask at least 3 questions per day via group notices. The 1st person to answer correctly via group IM will receive at least 50L. At times when group funds are low we will ask less q's [sic] or pay less, but we do not expect this to happen often.
There has been some discussion of this since the invitations went out (I should mention that I did not receive one, but the bulk of this text is also in the Group Charter), mostly negative, though one person has been to the owner's live trivia and gives it high marks. It has also been noted that charging a group fee, while practically unknown among trivia groups, is not unheard of elsewhere in SL.
The most frequent objection is that if you're not online at the time a question is asked, then you're out of luck. I haven't yet heard anyone say they would give this group a second thought. Because I'm all about the sociocultural, I've been thinking about what kind positionality or social location some people who do trivia in SL have compared with those who identify with the "trivia community."
For instance, it is difficult for me to imagine that any host I know would have thought of a group of this sort. It simply wouldn't have occurred to them (or if it would, then I don't know them as well as I think). The reason is in the group description: "For those of you who love trivia but don't like to hang around at a venue for questions to be asked." Although most of us engage in things besides trivia while we're in-world (at the very least to buy clothing and costumes for themed events), this blog and others like it exist largely because the venues provide centers of social activity for us, even for those who don't go to them often or who don't go as often as they used to.
Nelly Swindlehurst
The venues are what define us as a community and have allowed us to build friendships and other social relationships with each other. It doesn't mean that we wouldn't enjoy trivia without the social context. Certainly, very few of us had the social context before we started coming to the trivia events. Some of us play along withJeopardy! at home. Some of us sit around a Gogomodo board and zone out on our own. But if you are reading this blog, then chances are, you are part of a community of trivia players who have been influenced, to a greater or lesser extent, by the existence of trivia venues, the way that events are run there, and the fact that they are capable of drawing together our odd mishmash of personalities.
I'm imagining what my day would be like as a member of the Trivia Anytime Anywhere (TAA) group. I go about my gridwide hunts, my unpacking of prizes, I might do some 7Seas fishing or simply hanging out by a Lucky Chair while getting RL work done. I chat with friends, occasionally seek out new places to shop or explore. During all of this, would it be kind of nice for a random trivia question to come through in a notice, with the chance for winning L$50? Of course! I can even see standing in front of an outfit at a store, wondering if I'd be able to afford it, when voila! In come the fifty lindens more that make it a done deal. But would I pay a L$500 membership fee in order to make this happen? Pretty much no.
It's not because I'm inherently cheap: if Marine Park, with its L$100-L$800 questions, for instance, had a huge membership fee instead of nightly entrance fees (and would not be constantly on the verge of banning paying members), I'd pay it. It's not because I'm afraid I'll miss all of the questions because I'll be off-line when they appear. It's because chances are, I'll already be anticipating the trivia event I'm planning to go to that afternoon or evening or the next day. And if I'm about to go to an event that either doesn't charge or charges a moderate fee with the promise of chances to win huge prizes, then why would I pay to receive questions I'd need to answer ten of to eventually make back my investment?
In addition, even though I'm obviously not at an event every minute of the day that I'm in SL, the events at the venues are what make me feel connected to this amorphous group of people and what we've built up for ourselves in our little corner of SL. I don't even mean that in a mushy way. The venues anchor us. They give our network of acquaintances some shape. I have done trivia by group IM a few times in the Buccaneer Bowl group, and it's fun as a supplement to the other events announced via that channel, but one of the reasons that it's fun is that you're competing with other people in that group IM with whom you have a competitive or team relationship already. I've formed familiarities with people who are mostly names I recognize in a particularly active group IM (e.g., hunt groups), but I can't say I've developed a friendship that way. Maybe others do. But even if the trivia from TAA were to generate conversations in the group, any real camaraderie is likely to be due to pre-existing friendships.
All of this is fairly obvious, even if I'm the only nerd who bothers to write it down. But it raises a more compelling question for me: whom this group is meant for. Who do the owners expect to be their target audience? It's unclear how they chose those they invited, since Ms. Gravois does not have any trivia groups visible in her profile aside from her own and most people I know who received invitations didn't previously know who she is. Simply because this group isn't designed for people who already build their social second lives around trivia, however, it does not mean that it doesn't have a place somewhere in the trivia landscape.
JoshuaStephen Schism
As the description says, it's for "those of you who love trivia but don't like to hang around at a venue for questions to be asked." I'm sure there are plenty of people who fall into this category. Some of them probably like "dancing with trivia" more than "trivia with dancing." Many probably have stronger social ties at other types of clubs and don't have the time to spread out to the trivia venues. Some might have other obligations in SL throughout the day so that they are in-world but cannot attend events very easily. And some may not like the atmosphere of trivia events for a variety of reasons; I even know trivia regulars to whom this applies. What the group fee essentially pays for is the ability to play competitive trivia without having to go to an organized event, ever. This fee might be worthwhile to any of these people. TAA is thus not that dumb of an idea when viewed through the eyes of those who are, to put it bluntly, "not us," that is, not the sort of people who are likely to write and/or read trivia blogs. It does have a fatal flaw, however, and it is directly related to the concept of "us":
It will probably be difficult to locate the people who are interested, since most existing groups for trivia are based around events -- the ones that the target audience, by definition, doesn't want to go to.
Unless Ms. Gravois already knows a number of people to start her off (since it's always possible she began the group to meet a demand, not to shape one), it will probably take a lot of legwork locating players who love trivia enough to pay L$500 but not enough to "hang around at a venue." There are other things notable about belonging to social circles in SL outside of the trivia community, though, and the way we handle money is one of them. A lot of us do trivia specifically because we found we're good at it and can generate or supplement SL income with it, so our brains actually think in terms of SL economy over RL economy. L$500 doesn't equal US$2 (or your country's currency's equivalent) for us, it equals twenty-five questions at Shiraz or twenty questions at Blaizing Inferno or five correct first-place wins from Thorn. For those who are good at trivia, it is a reliable enough source of income to support a second life but not, for most, a second life of leisure.
There's no way to generalize how people outside of the trivia community think of money (and of course the description I've just given doesn't apply to everyone within it, either). But for those who see SL more as a game to invest in as one would pay to belong to World of Warcraft, I imagine special expenditures have a different meaning than for those of us who are self-sustaining in-world. When you approach the platform expecting it to be something you pour money into, it shapes your experience differently from what it's like for those who do not. What all this means is that L$500 may or may not seem all that exorbitant to people who are not accustomed to SLiving off of their winnings.
To sum up, the Trivia Anytime Anywhere group sounds like a good idea. It's just not a good idea for most "trivia people," and for that reason, I'll be very impressed if it gets off the ground. More than that, though, it's another one of those interesting indications of how social circles operate in Second Life. The introduction of an entirely different kind of format makes us notice how central the venues are even to those who only visit them on occasion. It also brings up the issue of money and how different the SL economy is for different people. I wish Ms. Gravois luck with her venture and will try not to be snarky from now on when I ask questions via IM in one of my groups.
I know a lot of folks who dislike a lot of the triv events get pissed at the speed typers. I don't think that Phenicia's group IM trivia will solve this particular problem. It's still going to be very dependent on fast typing, will permit Googling, and will be heavily based on who is online and when and at what time (not to mention what time zone the sender is in) the question IM's are sent out. It just smells like a scam to me..
ReplyDeleteMoreover, I personally have a special hatred for Group IM's. For some reason they deeply irritate me and I can't "x" them out fast enough. But I'm kind of a bitch, so there's that..
I did receive the group invitation, and my first and main thought of this is 'but what if you're not online', closely followed by '500L!'.
ReplyDeleteI do remember someone saying they'd been to an event run by Penicia, and it was typically in the middle of the night for me. As a European, therefore, I would seriously doubt that I'd be online for any of the questions asked.
There's also another thing to remember. Luce has already mentioned she X's out her group im's as soon as they open, but how many of us actually jummp to attention and go looking to see what a group says the minute that chat box appears? I know I don't. I usually finish what I'd doing, or saying, and then take a look at what the group chat is about. By which time, of course, the question will already have been asked. This happened the other day on Bucc Bowl - Lette you asked a question about Shakespeare - and by the time I'd closed what I was looking at, not only had Lotus answered but about 10 people had all said well done.
When I first discovered trivia I joined a couple of groups which said they ask questions every day in group im. Needless to say, I left when I had my first clearout of groups because I'd never seen anything in group chat from either.
Me, personally, I'd prefer to go to the venues and wait for the questions with everyone else - for me it's what trivia is about.
Sorry bout the timing on that, Cully. Of course, I didn't charge you to be in the group, so it's a different kind of thing, I'm sure. :)
ReplyDeleteI believe the description in their Charter meant their questions would come in Group Notices, not IMs, but you answer them in IM. That would make it frustrating to log on and see that you missed a question you'd have known right away, but it wouldn't get lost as easily as it would in IM.
The if it's a group notice that would be even more frustrasting. If it's in im at least you don't know what you've missed. If I paid 500L to log on and find I'd missed all 3 questions of the day I may be a little peeved:)
ReplyDeleteI can also see it causing a lot of problems for them too. Someone logs on, gets the notice, answers in im - well how would they know if anyone else had already answered. Some people may get a little angry at then being told that the question was answered 3 hours earlier.
And Lette, it wasn't your timing so much as I don't always immediately look at group chat the moment it flashes up. But keep going - when Lotus gets her 500L she can join the group and tell us what it's like :)