Showing posts with label Metal Shop. Show all posts
Showing posts with label Metal Shop. Show all posts

Tuesday, October 13, 2009

I'll Have Three Trivias to Go, With a Side of Fries

(Pictures were taken at the Metal Shop on vampire night during Billy2Times Krams's trivia.)

Chaddington Boomhauer

Some people recently received an unsolicited group invitation that read as follows:

Phenicia Gravois has invited you to join a group. You will have to pay a signup fee of L$500. Trivia Anytime Anywhere: We are currently building up our membership. We will start playing trivia once we have reached 22 members. For those of you who love trivia but don't like to hang around at a venue for questions to be asked. We will ask at least 3 questions per day via group notices. The 1st person to answer correctly via group IM will receive at least 50L. At times when group funds are low we will ask less q's [sic] or pay less, but we do not expect this to happen often.

There has been some discussion of this since the invitations went out (I should mention that I did not receive one, but the bulk of this text is also in the Group Charter), mostly negative, though one person has been to the owner's live trivia and gives it high marks. It has also been noted that charging a group fee, while practically unknown among trivia groups, is not unheard of elsewhere in SL.

The most frequent objection is that if you're not online at the time a question is asked, then you're out of luck. I haven't yet heard anyone say they would give this group a second thought. Because I'm all about the sociocultural, I've been thinking about what kind positionality or social location some people who do trivia in SL have compared with those who identify with the "trivia community."

For instance, it is difficult for me to imagine that any host I know would have thought of a group of this sort. It simply wouldn't have occurred to them (or if it would, then I don't know them as well as I think). The reason is in the group description: "For those of you who love trivia but don't like to hang around at a venue for questions to be asked." Although most of us engage in things besides trivia while we're in-world (at the very least to buy clothing and costumes for themed events), this blog and others like it exist largely because the venues provide centers of social activity for us, even for those who don't go to them often or who don't go as often as they used to.

Nelly Swindlehurst

The venues are what define us as a community and have allowed us to build friendships and other social relationships with each other. It doesn't mean that we wouldn't enjoy trivia without the social context. Certainly, very few of us had the social context before we started coming to the trivia events. Some of us play along withJeopardy! at home. Some of us sit around a Gogomodo board and zone out on our own. But if you are reading this blog, then chances are, you are part of a community of trivia players who have been influenced, to a greater or lesser extent, by the existence of trivia venues, the way that events are run there, and the fact that they are capable of drawing together our odd mishmash of personalities.

I'm imagining what my day would be like as a member of the Trivia Anytime Anywhere (TAA) group. I go about my gridwide hunts, my unpacking of prizes, I might do some 7Seas fishing or simply hanging out by a Lucky Chair while getting RL work done. I chat with friends, occasionally seek out new places to shop or explore. During all of this, would it be kind of nice for a random trivia question to come through in a notice, with the chance for winning L$50? Of course! I can even see standing in front of an outfit at a store, wondering if I'd be able to afford it, when voila! In come the fifty lindens more that make it a done deal. But would I pay a L$500 membership fee in order to make this happen? Pretty much no.

It's not because I'm inherently cheap: if Marine Park, with its L$100-L$800 questions, for instance, had a huge membership fee instead of nightly entrance fees (and would not be constantly on the verge of banning paying members), I'd pay it. It's not because I'm afraid I'll miss all of the questions because I'll be off-line when they appear. It's because chances are, I'll already be anticipating the trivia event I'm planning to go to that afternoon or evening or the next day. And if I'm about to go to an event that either doesn't charge or charges a moderate fee with the promise of chances to win huge prizes, then why would I pay to receive questions I'd need to answer ten of to eventually make back my investment?

In addition, even though I'm obviously not at an event every minute of the day that I'm in SL, the events at the venues are what make me feel connected to this amorphous group of people and what we've built up for ourselves in our little corner of SL. I don't even mean that in a mushy way. The venues anchor us. They give our network of acquaintances some shape. I have done trivia by group IM a few times in the Buccaneer Bowl group, and it's fun as a supplement to the other events announced via that channel, but one of the reasons that it's fun is that you're competing with other people in that group IM with whom you have a competitive or team relationship already. I've formed familiarities with people who are mostly names I recognize in a particularly active group IM (e.g., hunt groups), but I can't say I've developed a friendship that way. Maybe others do. But even if the trivia from TAA were to generate conversations in the group, any real camaraderie is likely to be due to pre-existing friendships.

All of this is fairly obvious, even if I'm the only nerd who bothers to write it down. But it raises a more compelling question for me: whom this group is meant for. Who do the owners expect to be their target audience? It's unclear how they chose those they invited, since Ms. Gravois does not have any trivia groups visible in her profile aside from her own and most people I know who received invitations didn't previously know who she is. Simply because this group isn't designed for people who already build their social second lives around trivia, however, it does not mean that it doesn't have a place somewhere in the trivia landscape.

JoshuaStephen Schism

As the description says, it's for "those of you who love trivia but don't like to hang around at a venue for questions to be asked." I'm sure there are plenty of people who fall into this category. Some of them probably like "dancing with trivia" more than "trivia with dancing." Many probably have stronger social ties at other types of clubs and don't have the time to spread out to the trivia venues. Some might have other obligations in SL throughout the day so that they are in-world but cannot attend events very easily. And some may not like the atmosphere of trivia events for a variety of reasons; I even know trivia regulars to whom this applies. What the group fee essentially pays for is the ability to play competitive trivia without having to go to an organized event, ever. This fee might be worthwhile to any of these people. TAA is thus not that dumb of an idea when viewed through the eyes of those who are, to put it bluntly, "not us," that is, not the sort of people who are likely to write and/or read trivia blogs. It does have a fatal flaw, however, and it is directly related to the concept of "us":

It will probably be difficult to locate the people who are interested, since most existing groups for trivia are based around events -- the ones that the target audience, by definition, doesn't want to go to.

Unless Ms. Gravois already knows a number of people to start her off (since it's always possible she began the group to meet a demand, not to shape one), it will probably take a lot of legwork locating players who love trivia enough to pay L$500 but not enough to "hang around at a venue." There are other things notable about belonging to social circles in SL outside of the trivia community, though, and the way we handle money is one of them. A lot of us do trivia specifically because we found we're good at it and can generate or supplement SL income with it, so our brains actually think in terms of SL economy over RL economy. L$500 doesn't equal US$2 (or your country's currency's equivalent) for us, it equals twenty-five questions at Shiraz or twenty questions at Blaizing Inferno or five correct first-place wins from Thorn. For those who are good at trivia, it is a reliable enough source of income to support a second life but not, for most, a second life of leisure.

There's no way to generalize how people outside of the trivia community think of money (and of course the description I've just given doesn't apply to everyone within it, either). But for those who see SL more as a game to invest in as one would pay to belong to World of Warcraft, I imagine special expenditures have a different meaning than for those of us who are self-sustaining in-world. When you approach the platform expecting it to be something you pour money into, it shapes your experience differently from what it's like for those who do not. What all this means is that L$500 may or may not seem all that exorbitant to people who are not accustomed to SLiving off of their winnings.

To sum up, the Trivia Anytime Anywhere group sounds like a good idea. It's just not a good idea for most "trivia people," and for that reason, I'll be very impressed if it gets off the ground. More than that, though, it's another one of those interesting indications of how social circles operate in Second Life. The introduction of an entirely different kind of format makes us notice how central the venues are even to those who only visit them on occasion. It also brings up the issue of money and how different the SL economy is for different people. I wish Ms. Gravois luck with her venture and will try not to be snarky from now on when I ask questions via IM in one of my groups.

Sunday, August 23, 2009

SYTYCA & Thoughts on Standardization

Billy2Times Krams hosting Disney trivia and Best in Disney at Metal Shop on August 17.

If you can decipher the set of letters in the title of this post, then I would, as a trivia host, interpret that to mean that it's a commonly enough known -- or at least easily enough understood -- acronym or abbreviation to be accepted as an answer at one of my games.

If not, then as far as I'm concerned, it's just a shortcut to try and squeeze ahead of the other players who are typing their butts off to get "So You Think You Can Abbreviate" into play before the others who are likewise typing furiously.

This is the basis of my "out of context" rule by which I judge typos and abbreviation use. If it's a common abbreviation that you most likely used because that's how you're accustomed to referring to the person/place/thing in question (or answer, more accurately), then go for it. NASA, ASPCA, Rte, St, FDR, JFK, whatever... these are all fair game because other players are likely to have used them, too, and they know exactly what you're talking about.*

* Of course, if a person hasn't heard of the entity the abbreviation refers to at all and wouldn't know it even if "American Society for the Prevention of Cruelty to Animals" were spelled out, then the problem isn't the abbreviation.

Finding the absolute shortest version of an answer you can give and still get away with it, on the other hand, is not. Not in my book.

In terms of the spectrum of hosting styles, I fall someplace in the middle. At one end, there are hosts who accept anything they can understand, knowing what the player was probably trying to say. At the other end, there are hosts who accept no abbreviations whatsoever. A few follow the guideline "none except UK and USA." I have the feeling that these stricter hosts have a goal in mind similar to mine -- to curb the Incredible Shrinking Answer trend before it begins -- but for my part, I don't want to penalize someone who uses an abbreviation not to see what they can get away with but because the version of the answer they use is the one that is freshest in their minds.

Although I am generally respectful of other hosts' decisions, the acceptance of abbreviations that are clearly intended as shortcuts makes me shake my head every time. I apologize to those whom this confession insinuates, and I acknowledge that every host is entitled to run his or her game however he or she chooses. I have recently gotten into two tiffs over abbreviations, however, that sparked this as a blog topic.

The first took place while I was hosting Chaos. For those who haven't been to Chaos Trivia/Truth or Dare, I'll mention that those who win questions are given L$10 and the chance to challenge another player to a truth or dare. I asked a question to which "North Pole" was the answer, and the person whose answer came in first used "NPole" as a shortcut abbreviation. Since it was only a minor shortcut (it's not like he tried to say "NP") and he had arrived late and had never heard me give my rules, I gave him the benefit of the doubt, which meant compromising: I gave him the money and offered the truth/dare challenge to the second person who answered. Imagine my surprise when he protested that I should give him a break because he is in a country far from the SL servers and that this gives him more lag than most.

This is a ridiculous argument for many reasons, but I'll only mention one: everyone in SL suffers from lag. One article on lag identifies nine different kinds. The one this player was being huffy about, referred to in the piece as "pure network lag," is right at the top. Unless he believes that special treatment should be provided to people experiencing any of the other eight kinds of lag, I'm uncertain why I should provide it to him. Is there such a thing as privileged lag? Does that make the other kinds ghetto lag?

But I digress.

The second incident just took place this weekend. The answer was "New Yorker" (as in the magazine, not a New York resident), and the first answer given was "NYer." I was second with the correct answer. When the host gave the question to the other player, I had to re-read the chat log because I hadn't seen anyone answer correctly before I did. I'm a former New Yorker. I subscribe to The New Yorker. And I have never seen the abbreviation NYer before. I didn't recognize it as an answer at all. So for my one time in a thousand, I spoke up, made some comments, and quickly apologized for doing so. The apology was directed toward the host, who I was worried would think I was protesting his call, and to the group. It was not directed toward the person who used this abbreviation.

Alanna Robianni, dressed as Cinderella, won the top spot in the costume contest; I won second as an Alice in Wonderland card painting the roses red; a wee little Snow White snagged third.

This leads me to the purposeful part of this post, which was not actually intended to become a rant about abbreviations. Rather, I want to use the abbreviation example as a jumping-off point to talk about standard expectations. When you do trivia at club Shiraz, you expect leniency. When you attend Lou's Clues, you expect to type out your answers in full. The UK/USA rule seems to be fast becoming standardized, though, adopted as it's been by hosts at Lilly's, at Moysies, and sometimes at Double Standards.

There are some advantages to standardization: players can have an idea of what will and won't be acceptable even if they miss the rules, for instance, and consistency allows players to develop habits that will benefit them. By this latter one, I have in mind the "training" that Gogomodo has given to many who forget that when they do trivia with a live host, they can often skip first names when the answer is a person.

There are also some disadvantages, not the least of which is that no matter how many hosts adopt comparable rules, the trivia circuit does not begin and end with the several dozen of us who know each other, host each other, and run into each other at the same games. Grassroots trivia will continue popping up at random clubs, and some active hosts will simply have different opinions about what qualifies as an acceptable answer. Thus, a player who gets used to the UK/USA rule might find herself frustrated, like I was on Sunday for other reasons, at places that are either more or less strict.

The main disadvantage to standardization in my mind, though, is something that can already be seen in the trivia landscape in its current state. I'm so accustomed to certain conventions that when I visit a game off the beaten path and find they have a rather unusual format, I'll often be hit by a wave of snobbery before I take a step back and remind myself, "It's not wrong, it's different." Admittedly, most of the time, I do end up disliking those other methods (such as answers in IM, voicing during events, anything that replaces live hosts with a machine of some sort), but you never know when a gem will appear. These instances are more about format than rules, but it's easier to develop a sense of "how things are supposed to work" if they work the same way at most of the events you go to, and that sense can easily translate into snobbery, elitism, or know-it-all-ness, which I believe was one of the factors that had precipitated the problems at The Village, way back in ancient history.

I don't have a firm conclusion, since I would selfishly prefer not to get cranky over a lenient abbreviation call again, while at the same time I think that maintaining a diverse set of events that cater to varying skill levels, speed levels, and specializations would render the strongest benefit to the most people. Borrowing or adapting another host's rules is also not necessarily standardization; sometimes you just think it's a good idea. I get pleased when I've seen hosts pick up a rule that I originated, and goodness knows I've developed my style under the influence of many strong predecessors. What I like to see is evolution, though, with hosts using others' rules and ideas but making them their own. SL trivia is totally different from how it was a year ago, with all sorts of innovative games and a schedule simply crammed solid with events. I look forward to seeing how it continues evolving.

Vegas Ember owns Metal Shop.

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Wednesday, May 20, 2009

News: MMtrivia... new events this week


Billy @ Metal Shop

This Monday, May 18, saw a good turnout for the first trivia event held at rock club the Metal Shop. Billy2Times Krams will be hosting trivia there Mondays and Wednesdays from 6:00 to 8:00pm. Monday nights, he'll be bringing music to the masses in question form, while the Wednesday format consists of pop culture-heavy general knowledge. Other nights of the week, the Metal Shop hosts rock music and dancing.

Owners Vegas Ember and JH Fall recently moved the year-old Metal Shop to its current location on Sundance Isle sim. The move brings along two welcome changes. One is the new trivia, of course, but according to the proprietors, the other is less lag, which is something everyone can love. Billy kicked off his event by dealing out L$30/20 prizes for first and second place on Monday, though they will typically be L$20/10 for a slate of twenty-five questions.


Lou @ [MonoChrome]

Little Lou Netizen makes big by taking on Saturdays at [MonoChrome] from 12:00 to 1:00pm. She'll be dealing out L$50 per answer for each of twenty questions at her opening gig on May 23. The questions will be general knowledge, with varying difficulty levels. She'll have some gimmes and some stumpers. Word on the street is she'll be building this event up to be something unique and original, so support her on the first day so you can see how it evolves.


Lette @ The Grotto

I've been invited to host a themed trivia event for custom build and prefab store Culture Cannibals as they add a line of caskets to their stock of household items. The trivia will focus on vampires and the occult, with 40 questions at L$25 each, plus some fabulous store giveaway bonus prizes, including a sarcophagus modeled after one from the Medici Chapel of the Princes in Florence. If I can twist some of your arms to join me, it will be a super, fun event!

The Specs:
=> Host: Billy2Times Krams
=> Times: 6:00 to 8:00pm Mondays and Wednesdays
=> Location: The Metal Shop, http://slurl.com/secondlife/Sundance%20Isle/239/196/24
=> Prizes: 25 questions, L$20 and L$10 for first and second place

=> Host: Lou Netizen
=> Times: 12:00 to 1:00pm Saturdays
=> Location: [MonoChrome], http://slurl.com/secondlife/Dysis%20Isle/118/28/757
=> Prizes: 20 questions, L$50 each

=> Host: Lette Ponnier
=> Times: 1:00 to 3:00pm Saturday, May 23 only
=> Location: The Grotto, http://slurl.com/secondlife/Melioria/77/77/28
=> Prizes: 40 questions, L$25 each, plus store products